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[freyr]

So I came back to this forum to get a few things off my chest.

I spent a lot of time at this forum a couple years ago... some might say I was being destructive. While I did some good, I think I was often quite rude and destructive.

However, I think every young man should kill his idols, to try to become a superior to the man he once emulated, and in my own retarded way, that's what I was doing. In Frusciante's case, I had no interest in being his superior in terms of music. Although I am a song writer, I am no guitar virtuoso and never intend to be.

However, I thought Frusciante had done something unprecedented in Rock and Roll... he combined the emotional life with a philosophical way of thinking that was convincing and felt natural to me. I felt like his music genuinely facilitated a healthy dissent from mainstream thinking and helped steer people into healthy emotional development.

I noticed at some point last year, Iva disallowed forum members from psychoanalyzing John and interpreting his lyrics from John's perspective.

She's absolutely right. It's maybe healthy to speculate a bit, but It's utterly naive and stupid to dwell on what another person means by something. This doesn't just go for John, it goes for all your relationships. Treat people well, and don't get hung up on what they meant by something they said. If they flatter you, they don't understand. If they insult you, they don't understand. We can only be responsible for ourselves, and by taking care of ourselves, we can be kind and respectful to others. We have to stop being obsessed with understanding each other intellectually, and just love.

Eventually as I got older I felt a strong limitation and discontent with what Frusciante was offering, and had to move onto pure philosophers and other musicians. Eventually I became very critical of John, but that is just a spiritual tradition where the student kills his master in his own mind. But now I'm prepared for making contribution that comes purely from me, entirely independent of John and everyone else that has influenced me.

So, the criticism and deconstruction is over, now it's time for me to be a part of what he started.

The goal of every human being should be to have a symbiotic relationship with others, rather than be critical and parasitic. So I'm gonna present you guys with something simple I did.

http://www.corewebwo...ds/pretend.html

My goal is to make small, mind-altering web-apps. I like to think of my small websites as psychedelic drugs. Some potent quotes, a set of philosophical paragraphs, an article from latest research in psychology, some music, and more philosophical commentary of the music. Please feel free to offer other constructive criticism and ideas to improve the app and future apps.

You'll notice there is no attempt to discern what John means. This is just what I mean, I have no idea what he means. So if any of you find value in what I do, don't worry about what goes on in my head, develop yourself and make contributions that enhance the people you value, rather than diminish them.

Anyways, there is a great deal more projects to come, I'm just getting started.


If you like what I've done, feel free to add me on facebook:

http://www.facebook....hp?id=684030407


I am also looking for friends to collaborate on philosphical music projects, and if you want to help me, please visit my company facebook page:

http://www.facebook....9171078?sk=wall

Give the company a like, help me ascend.

[dakini]

I really love this, Freyr. Your site is wonderful. I'm at very much a similar spot on my path. I think of it as the Magician tarot card -- the initiation and education of the Fool ends when they recognize the Sacred Fool in themselves as much as their (former) masters and start out on their own path as journeymen, and it seems to me the first step of this new stage of the process (at least for me) is to "un-learn" their lessons so I can use the tools of the trade in my own way. Just started work on a holographic art book with cut-outs and mingled calligraphy (in the broadest possible sense -- "drawn letters" that convey a mood graphically rather than "beautiful writing in the style of the Renaissance" or what have you) with drawings as an attempt to depict "the voices inside" looking out and reacting to the same things in ways that reveal the "invisible lenses" they see the world through. Much harder to explain than to draw! Haha! But, anyway, once I get some done I plan on uploading them somewhere so people can check it out, though it won't be the same as the actual handmade book itself. Not sure how I'm going to deal with all that, but I'll get there when I get there.

Anyway, I am really glad you posted this, and excited to see your work. Very much like this idea of websites as a spiritual/artistic path of healing. I am not musical at all (though my dad keeps on me to turn some of my poems into actual songs, and he may wear me down someday enough to attempt it) but would really enjoy collaborating somehow as we seem on a similar wavelength about these things.

[GoodTimeBoys]

It's cool that you just came back to this board after being away for a couple years, as I recently just did the same thing. You kinda forget about this place when there's no real news involving John, it looks as if this board is pretty dead at the moment. Hopefully an announcement of a new solo album in the near future will change that.

Anyways, looks like a pretty cool site that you're starting there Freyr. You've always seemed like a really interesting guy to me, with a lot of good insight and knowledge to share with this world. Keep it up.

[The Past Recedes]

Freyr,

I always enjoyed your presence on this site. Your writing was always fun to read and you made good contributions. No complaints there. =]

I shall be visiting your site, I'm liking what I'm seeing.

What kind of things are you thinking about doing music-wise? I am something of a musician. That is, I beat the guitar into submission until it plays something vaguely pleasurable. I can sing too, learning a bit of piano, know a bit of drums. A bit of a baby musician. Be nice to hear your ideas though.

Mike

[freyr]

Hi Shelly,

Glad to hear you are doing well.

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Anyway, I am really glad you posted this, and excited to see your work. Very much like this idea of websites as a spiritual/artistic path of healing. I am not musical at all (though my dad keeps on me to turn some of my poems into actual songs, and he may wear me down someday enough to attempt it) but would really enjoy collaborating somehow as we seem on a similar wavelength about these things.

I would love for you, and everyone here on IM to collaborate with me. I just added Iva’s Invisible movement site to the footer. I’m hoping she doesn’t mind.

I just decided I want to make an online magazine to compliment my book - enemy of worlds.

Here’s my book:

http://www.corewebwo...rlds/index.html

As for the magazine. I want to hear all of your ideas.

Basically, I’m hiring volunteers for my company. I want each of you contribute in the most signficant ways that you can.

My goals:

1) I need graphics designed. I have a ton of different icons and symbols in mind. I can describe them, but I don’t have time to draw them. If my magazine makes money, you’ll profit, I promise.

2) I need advertisers/sponsors on my magazine. I will be drawing from a great deal of classic books, from William Blake, Friedrich Nietzsche, etc. So publishers and small firms can advertise, and I can flow traffic to them. I will be drawing from contemporary maverick scientists, researchers, psychologists. Books by all celebrity scientists will be featured in different issues with different themes. So there will be lots of opportunity to advertise. I will feature a lot of music on my magazine, to avoid copyright issues with artists, I will use their singles to promote their albums, concerts, etc. Frusciante’s albums could probably marketed better, so why not act as marketers for him? We can integrate Iva’s site and forum into the magazine and book. We can use facebook and twitter to the max. There are obviously an endless amount of ideas. There’s no reason we all can’t work together and find a way to profit soulfully and not have to prostitute ourselves to idiots who only care about money.

3 ) My book needs editing. There are likely many grammatical (odd spelling) problems, and if any of you can read through the book and help edit it, I can give you writing credits. It will look good on a resume (editor for professional book), and you’ll be part of something that I think would help liberate you.

4) …. whatever else you guys can think of. Remember, we making issues for the magazine, so each issue will have a theme. So if you guys have some wound inside you, that’s the source of great power. Whatever is most perosnal to you has great potential for an issue, so if one of you guys wants to publish an issue, I’ll help you with it.

5) I can promote music of new artists, and do issues that feature them.

6) ...like I said, whatever else you guys can think of.

Like Frusciante said...don’t ever set a limit.


PS: Mike, yes, if you're an Artist, I can feature you in an issue.


All of you guys... get on facebook with me. I can introduce you to a lot of interesting people. Facebook doesn't have to be retarded, i have an excellent newsfeed because I friend excellent people and I inspire those who aren't initially awesome, but become awesome because they are inspired by me being an epic ubermensch. Some of them never change, but facebook is also good for spying on the main stream. Friend all your old enemies and give them truth (hell).


Even better.... Get on G+. G+ is like facebook but much more advanced. Again, I can introduce you to some good thinkers.

[freyr]

I updated the first issue:

http://www.corewebwo...ds/pretend.html

[AzteC]

just read plato's the apology (again) for human nature philosophy course, kind of see John in Socrate's defense! From one Philosopher to another, nice to meet you.

[freyr]

A rough draft Issue 2 is ready.

http://www.corewebwo...heIMLadies.html
It's mostly just a play list I made for Iva, and for the other IM ladies. There's some serious stuff at the end.

Eventually, I would like to develop the issue to tackle more serious stuff, and I will have to find a way to get some more humor in there.

Eventually I will do an issue for my "Psychology of Songs".


And... the design of the magazine obviously can go a long ways. Right now it's way too simple.

[freyr]

My folder system that links my book to the magazine had got way too convoluted. I took it down to reorganize it, and everything will be back up soon.

[bobthecow]

I see John as someone who would probably follow the philosophical writings of Martin Heidegger. If any of you hasn't read his work, I suggest it highly.

[AzteC]

Heidegger was deeply existential, so I can see where you might see John relating to that. However, I believe that John feels that there is a an "order" to the universe, whereas existentialism claims that we are alone when we are born, through life, and in death.

[bobthecow]

These are the kind of discussions that Iva usually doesnt tend to like.

However...

Heidegger didn't really subscribe to the existential view that the world is without order. He was much more a phenomenologist than an existentialist. He was under the impression that the world has an order, but is in an order such that it can never be understood. Heidegger felt that once you uncover a truth about the world, another part of the world will become hidden. This is the "phenomenon" itself. I think that John sees music, at least his music, in the same sort of light. Once he has released an album he moves onto the next thing, tries a different style, as the old music he wrote doesn't show who he is. It is no longer the truth for him, it has become hidden.

To me the extreme structural rules of the Platonic/Socratic philosophy would be the epitome of hyperbole for John. Even going into the less structural Empirical and Metaphyiscal philosophy seems too structured for someone like John. BTW, I am by no means an expert on philosophy. I have a minor in it on my Bachelors degree, but it's been a while since I have really gotten into it. I am really more into the philosophy of Merleau-Ponty, its pretty much the only one that I remember alot about.

[Iva]

Nah, I care about this alot, believe me.

[AzteC]

bobthecow, on 29 September 2011 - 08:13 AM, said:

These are the kind of discussions that Iva usually doesnt tend to like.

However...

Heidegger didn't really subscribe to the existential view that the world is without order. He was much more a phenomenologist than an existentialist. He was under the impression that the world has an order, but is in an order such that it can never be understood. Heidegger felt that once you uncover a truth about the world, another part of the world will become hidden. This is the "phenomenon" itself. I think that John sees music, at least his music, in the same sort of light. Once he has released an album he moves onto the next thing, tries a different style, as the old music he wrote doesn't show who he is. It is no longer the truth for him, it has become hidden.

To me the extreme structural rules of the Platonic/Socratic philosophy would be the epitome of hyperbole for John. Even going into the less structural Empirical and Metaphyiscal philosophy seems too structured for someone like John. BTW, I am by no means an expert on philosophy. I have a minor in it on my Bachelors degree, but it's been a while since I have really gotten into it. I am really more into the philosophy of Merleau-Ponty, its pretty much the only one that I remember alot about.

okay I see, I haven't truly studied Heidegger in depth. I'm currently studying philosophy at SDSU as it is my major. I enjoy learning phil so much, much more than any other subject, and as far as being graded in philosophy, I find it to be my best/easiest subject.