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Red Hot Chili Peppers thread - discuss the new RHCP here only All about their next album and their first with Josh Klinghoffer


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Posted 29 August 2011 - 03:13 PM

Am I the only one missing Johns guitar solos and crazy guitar riffs? Josh is taking way to little space for a guitar player in my opinion. You can clearly hear that John left a hole in the group.

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 08:19 PM

No, you're not. You just didn't read the fourth page to see that there's quite a few of us. ;)

These guys are all great musicians, but they make an odd, what-the-hell-is-this-anyway combo together.
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 07:12 AM

What I've always loved about John is that he's such a shy person and down to earth kind of guy. But when he strikes his guitar everything changes and he just becomes cocky as a m**therfucker, I loved Stadium Arcadium just for that reason. The raw solos in "She's only 18" or the first solo in Charlie.
I think his approach matched well to the others aswell (that confindence and rawness with their instruments), but with Josh i just dont feel it.

I mean, Flea and Chad still rock the fuck out of every song; but Josh is just kinda there laying some guitar sling here and there, not really making a good impression. I guess I dont like where the Chilis are headed, still dosent mean Im not gonna see them in October, but still

And there is waaay to many "catchy choruses" in this album, atleast for my taste. With Keides singing in a slow fasion...

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 08:46 AM

Anyways, I kinda get the feeling it'll be more like U2's take on RHCP with the way that Klinghoffer's style compares to Frusciante's.

Edited by Iva, 30 August 2011 - 12:56 PM.
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 01:25 PM

ooooo look at that edit, what did he say?

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 05:49 PM

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 08:21 PM

I was expecting something much more below what they did with Frusciante, but still something good. After hearing The Adventures of Rain Dance Maggie, I was then expecting something very boring. Then, when listening to the album, I hadn't found it boring, but not as good as expected at first.

The good sides :
- Even You Brutus? is a good song
- Factory of Faith, Look Around or Did I Let You Know are nice too
- When Josh's voice is well present, it's pretty
- Josh guitar is not totally sterile
- John's departure seem to have forced the others to wake : Flea is more present, probably because if not, the album would have been quite bad. Sometimes, Kiedis is not bad.

Bad sides :
Many boring songs, Josh cannot create good melodies, Kiedis is often as boring as usual...
The point is that John is no more there, this is what is missing to the new album. His solo's have been replaced by some bridges or Flea solo. This is not bad, but this is not good.
When watching the firsts live video on Youtube, John is even more lacking.

I prefer so many other rock band to this "new rhcp", even if I will continue to follow them closely.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 01:55 AM

I had the good fortune to be given an advance copy of the new CD a little over a week ago (yes, it is a legitimate one), and, after having spent those days listening to the new CD repeatedly, I am happily surprised to report that I really, really like the new album. I was always more of a Frusciante than a Peppers fan, so once he left I was extremely skeptical that I would like the band at all, anymore. I thought ONE HOT MINUTE was a disaster, and felt that I'M WITH YOU had the potential to continue that trend.

I have been a musician (primarily a guitar player) for twenty-five years, and I am very picky about what I think is good music and what is not. Obviously a term like "good music" is completely subjective, so I can only speak for my own ears, as it were. I was able to go into this album without expecting Klinghoffer to be like Frusciante or to even mimic his style (which would have been worse than if it simply flat-out sucked; there is nothing I loathe more than musical plagiarism). After the first listen I was underwhelmed. But apparently this was one of those albums which grows on my over the course of multiple listens--by the third or so I was already mentally checking favorites. After several listens I loved eight of the fourteen tracks; after more listens it is closer to eleven or twelve of fourteen.

I noticed a previous poster lamented a lack of melody on the album, which struck me by surprise--to me it was the numerous melodies throughout that hooked me and kept me coming back. (And no offense at all to that poster; again, opinions regarding such things are always subjective.) In my humble opinion Kiedis and Klinghoffer, after only one outing, are already complimenting each other wonderfully in the melody department. The chorus of such songs as FACTORY OF FAITH and POLICE STATION are only two example which immediately come to mind of this.

I could go track by track, but such an analysis would be tedious in an already too-long post. Suffice it to say I am happy and relieved to like this album. There are many great songs, a few good ones, and a few that I don't mind skipping (namely the melodically-bland ballad BRENDEN'S DEATH SONG and the milquetoast follow-up, ETHIOPIA, along with the obligatory high-speed GOODBYE, HOORAY). But even my favorite Peppers albums with Frusciante had a few throw-away songs, so I won't indict them for having a few here. Initially EVEN YOU BRUTUS? sounded as if Eminem was in the studio beside the Peppers simultaneously during recording and somehow inadvertently ended up on the Peppers' album, but it, like a few others I didn't initially like, has grown on me.

Much has and will be made comparing Klinghoffer to Frusciante, which, in my estimation, is an unfair comparison. No one in the Peppers or Frusciante camp has, to my knowledge, claimed that Klinghoffer would be a carbon-copy of Frusciante. I personally would have been disappointed if he had turned out to be. Comparing the two would be like comparing Eric Clapton with, say, Kirk Hammett--both are great musicians, both with their own distinct style and approach to song-writing and guitar playing. To say one is better than the other is less a matter of comparison and more a matter of personal preference and perhaps even a little regret. No one will miss Frusciante in the Peppers more than me; but Klinghoffer, in my opinion, handles his first outing with an extremely major label band just fine. He fits the band, knows a melody when he writes one (again, sorry to the poster who disagreed; no offense!), and is finding his place well.

In an interview with Frusciante, he and Klinghoffer were talking about the choice for the subdued BEFORE THE BEGINNING which opens THE EMPYREAN (perhaps Iva or someone can provide the source; forgive me, but it eludes me right now, but it is in the same interview with the forty-minute jam). I remember that both men agreed that the subdued opener was the best choice--and I agree--and went on to say that it was picked because it was not intrusive, that it allowed the listener to come to the music instead of the music forcing itself onto the listener. I nodded as I read that portion of the interview, in full agreement; and, hearing all of the negative statements regarding Klinghoffer's playing, etc. I cannot help but wonder (speculate) that perhaps he has taken the same approach to the new Peppers album. To come out on his first album with them, guns blazing and cocksure, would most likely have drawn as much--or more--criticism than his subdued approach has. In other words, he is damned if do or don't, and I am sure he was fully aware of this when he agreed to step in as guitarist, when they were writing the material for the album, and when they were in the studio. I don't know if Klinghoffer is capable of the same sort of blazing guitar playing as Frusciante produced, but that is no matter because neither does anyone else. If he isn't that is okay with me--he is a very capable player and songwriter, regardless.

So will you like the new album? Well, it depends--after all, these things are always... subjective.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 12:14 PM

View PostMike D., on 31 August 2011 - 01:55 AM, said:

To come out on his first album with them, guns blazing and cocksure, would most likely have drawn as much--or more--criticism than his subdued approach has. In other words, he is damned if do or don't, and I am sure he was fully aware of this when he agreed to step in as guitarist, when they were writing the material for the album, and when they were in the studio. I don't know if Klinghoffer is capable of the same sort of blazing guitar playing as Frusciante produced, but that is no matter because neither does anyone else. If he isn't that is okay with me--he is a very capable player and songwriter, regardless.
I enjoyed your review Mike.
I haven't listened to the record yet so I can't comment on it. Before I ask you this question though, let me be clear that I'm not hating on anyone, least of all Josh. I'm a music fan at the end of the day. One who rates John's music very highly, but not to the exclusion of anyone else. Just wanted to make that clear!
This sentence of yours struck me though. I'm hearing lots of good things about Josh's contribution to the record - his parts on Raindance Maggie being almost the only thing I enjoyed about that song - but that it's been put very low in the mix and Flea's bass and Kiedis' vocals are high in the mix. For all that the Chili Peppers have spouted about it always being about the music and them being true to themselves, playing what they want with no mind to the commercial aspect, don't you think that what they have done with this record, particularly relegating Josh to the back benches, goes against this so-called work ethic? Shouldn't Josh have "served the song" and played what he thought was right for it rather than thinking, as you seem to suggest, "best stay in the background"? If the song called for him to come out "guns blazing and cocksure", shouldn't he have done this with no mind as to what people might think of him? Also, I could've predicted that Flea's bass would be the dominating factor on the record, as "old school" fans of the band have been calling for for a long time (oh, Frusciante's taken over, poor Flea, we want more slap etc etc), and this seems to be the case from what I've read. Do you think this was done to appease fans (my definition of selling-out) or because they didn't have enough confidence in Klinghoffer's playing?

As I say, I haven't heard the album yet and I'm only going on other people's views so maybe I'm way off the mark, but I would be interested in your views.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 07:03 PM

View Postbrummieapril, on 31 August 2011 - 12:14 PM, said:

Also, I could've predicted that Flea's bass would be the dominating factor on the record, as "old school" fans of the band have been calling for for a long time (oh, Frusciante's taken over, poor Flea, we want more slap etc etc), and this seems to be the case from what I've read. Do you think this was done to appease fans (my definition of selling-out) or because they didn't have enough confidence in Klinghoffer's playing?

I think it's not that much a choice : they jammed and this is the product, I don't think Josh was in condition to bring the base ideas as John did, so Flea and Anthony did the first job and Josh followed as he could and was not able to do something very dominating. (This is just a supposition, but Flea's interview where he says that it was all different to play with Josh because he never came with the expected solos tends to make me believe that. Moreover, I'm not musician, but when hearing the guitar on the album, it hardly never sounds like a base riff for a song but more as a jam on what the others did)

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 12:18 PM

James Skinner of BBC explained the thing I was trying to explain in a couple of words:
"a portrait of a band hitting all the right notes yet failing to really ignite"
http://www.bbc.co.uk...ic/reviews/bf8r

However, Mike D., your review is enjoyable. :)
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 08:19 PM

I think the new Album is not good, I do not know why because there are 3 great musicians there-yes I mean Josh not Anthony but what they have come together to create just doesn't sound good to me.
Of course I would prefer for John to have been playing but to me what I always enjoyed most about RHCP was Johns guitar and the chemistry he had with Flea.
But at same time I like Josh and was very open minded for the new album it is not something I will try to listen to any more.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 09:38 PM

Mike D, I must say that I am very shocked to see you, as a musician, call Brendan's Death Song bland while praising nearly every other song on the record. To me, Brendan's Death Song is far and away the best song on this new album. The melody is stunning, and the way it builds and builds to an explosive climax where the band really lets loose is a spectacular thing to listen to. I enjoy most of the songs on the album, but the band sounds constrained in Rick Rubins tight little musical box. They're perfectly constructed pop tunes that are nice to listen to, but don't pack that emotional punch. Brendan's Death Song pummels you with emotion and explodes it's way out of the box, which is what makes it so great. It's easily the best song on I'm With You for me.

I do also enjoy most of the other songs though. Monarchy of Roses, Did I Let You Know, and Even You Brutus are all great.
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Posted 10 September 2011 - 02:18 AM

Anyone know where I can find the interview the chilies just did on Fuse. It was on during the massive blackout in San Diego and I couldn't watch it. My mom said they didn't say entirely positive things about John.

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 07:05 AM

View PostGoodTimeBoys, on 28 August 2011 - 07:46 AM, said:

Brendan's Death Song is one of the most beautiful Chili Peppers songs ever released.

Sorry for the late reply.

I really like the other songs you mentioned (Monarchy, Factory of Faith, Brutus and Did I Let you Know), but wanted to say that I absolutely agree with the above comment. I love that song! :)

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 12:14 AM

View Posthope, on 10 September 2011 - 07:05 AM, said:

View PostGoodTimeBoys, on 28 August 2011 - 07:46 AM, said:

Brendan's Death Song is one of the most beautiful Chili Peppers songs ever released.

Sorry for the late reply.

I really like the other songs you mentioned (Monarchy, Factory of Faith, Brutus and Did I Let you Know), but wanted to say that I absolutely agree with the above comment. I love that song! :)

I think it's a good sign that there's a level of love-hate with this song, change always has mixed reactions and I think if RHCP doesn't change and simply tries to feel the void of Frusciante, their music will flounder for the next decade. For me, it stands out as one of the more "real" sounding and feeling songs on the album, but it took me a few plays to realize its subtle beauty.

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 04:00 PM

I'm currently in England for work purposes; did anyone see them on "The Jonathan Ross Show"? What did you guys think about their performance? And Anthony's facial hair?
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Posted 12 September 2011 - 02:53 AM

View PostFrusciante1993, on 11 September 2011 - 04:00 PM, said:

I'm currently in England for work purposes; did anyone see them on "The Jonathan Ross Show"? What did you guys think about their performance? And Anthony's facial hair?

I thought the show was pretty witty and funny. The performance was good, but the mix could have been MUCH better. Then again it could be because I watched it on youtube.

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Their Fuse performance was lacking. I had always wanted to see the chili's live but now i'm not so sure anymore.

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 04:36 PM

I finally found enough time to give I'm With You a listen and I can say that I wasn't surprised by it. It sounded exactly like what I thought it would sound like, which is not a bad thing, nor a very positive one. I like most of Flea's basslines and surprising as it was to me, I think Kiedis has improved... or maybe improved is not the correct term, I like his vocals more on this album. It's not going to end up on the bunch of albums I play a lot, but I can totally see listening to this sometimes when I feel like it. I like me some catchy music sometimes.

If I had to choose a favourite song... I'd go with Did I Let You Know. Mainly because I've always been a sucker for Josh's backing vocals heh.

Also am I the only one who gets massive Smooth Criminal vibes when listening to Look Around?





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