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[nom_nom]

Hey,

I know this may be kind of obvious to some guys and girls on this forum, but I'm finding it really hard to know what pedals do what, and if they're actually worth spending my money on them :L

For example, I got the DS-2 yesterday, and I know he uses it on Dani California, but where else does he use it?! Where does he use his MXR Phase 90? Where does he use his CE-1? Where does he use his Big Muff? I'm just asking for a rough list so I know what's worth it and what's not, and I haven't found anything on the web yet!!

Thanks for any replies, it'd really help me out, and I'm sure it'd help a lot of others out as well


nom_nom

[m-80]

Hi! A lot of stuff from BSSM is on DS-2. IE Mellowship.

Soul to squeeze: CE-1
Strip My mind solo: Big Muff

[anachronism]

If you're having trouble identifying the sounds, just stick to a DS-2 and maybe a wah pedal. You'll do fine! The Big Muff is just a different kind of distortion (and some sustain), and junk like CE-1 your ear just isn't trained to hear. You'll catch on after a while, but until then, don't go spending money on pedals and other junk when it sounds fine to you. DS-2 is his distortion for nearly everything. If you switch it to mode 1 and crank down the volume on the guitar (3-5ish?), you get the nice under the bridge sound from your neck pickup.

Look on youtube for RHCP guitar covers by bedroom guitarists. If their sound seems to have something you're lacking (might be the fingerwork, amp, or guitar. There are some very talented kids out there) then check out what equipment they used or drop a comment asking.

Edit: This chick does some impressive RHCP covers.

[born2lose]

Don't get me wrong bro, but if you are really thinking about spending money on guitar pedals, you should at least know what they sound like.

An EHX Big Muff mill somehow always sound like a FUZZ PEDAL because it actually is one, same with other types of pedals like the DS-2, which is a (TURBO) DISTORTION PEDDAL. You may find help checking out the EHX website for example as they provide a huge amount of tone files and videos. But to be honest, these are are basic things you need to know before considering about getting any type of effect pedal. If you are not familiar of what is the difference between a Fuzz and Distortion Pedal, you may want to inform yourself.

This German music store website contains some sound samples of products they are offering -> thomann.de It should be available in your language aswell. They are offering some basic product guide on each piece of equipment, too which might be interesting for you.

Talking about the DS-2, I somehow never loved this pedal and got rid of it. Even if it was an early JP produced pedal, I somehow found the sound to be to harsh for me. I really had no use for that kind of tone. The DS-1 is more creamy in my opinion.

However, I don't think John used it that often (except from the BSSM recording era). Dani California & Black Cross are the only LIVE songs I have in my head right now, but he may have used it for other songs aswell.




MXR Phase 90: He uses it at the Jam after Scar Tissue (OFF THE MAP DVD)

CE-1: Suck My Kiss (OFF THE MAP DVD) and maybe in studio aswell. The Suck My Kiss has hearable Chorus & Distortion on the original master track on BSSM.

[nom_nom]

m-80, on 03 December 2010 - 05:14 PM, said:

Hi! A lot of stuff from BSSM is on DS-2. IE Mellowship.

Soul to squeeze: CE-1
Strip My mind solo: Big Muff

anachronism, on 04 December 2010 - 03:37 AM, said:

If you're having trouble identifying the sounds, just stick to a DS-2 and maybe a wah pedal. You'll do fine! The Big Muff is just a different kind of distortion (and some sustain), and junk like CE-1 your ear just isn't trained to hear. You'll catch on after a while, but until then, don't go spending money on pedals and other junk when it sounds fine to you. DS-2 is his distortion for nearly everything. If you switch it to mode 1 and crank down the volume on the guitar (3-5ish?), you get the nice under the bridge sound from your neck pickup.

Look on youtube for RHCP guitar covers by bedroom guitarists. If their sound seems to have something you're lacking (might be the fingerwork, amp, or guitar. There are some very talented kids out there) then check out what equipment they used or drop a comment asking.

Edit: This chick does some impressive RHCP covers.

Thanks you guys, and thanks for the link to youtube as well

born2lose, on 04 December 2010 - 10:09 AM, said:

Don't get me wrong bro, but if you are really thinking about spending money on guitar pedals, you should at least know what they sound like.

An EHX Big Muff mill somehow always sound like a FUZZ PEDAL because it actually is one, same with other types of pedals like the DS-2, which is a (TURBO) DISTORTION PEDDAL. You may find help checking out the EHX website for example as they provide a huge amount of tone files and videos. But to be honest, these are are basic things you need to know before considering about getting any type of effect pedal. If you are not familiar of what is the difference between a Fuzz and Distortion Pedal, you may want to inform yourself.

This German music store website contains some sound samples of products they are offering -> thomann.de It should be available in your language aswell. They are offering some basic product guide on each piece of equipment, too which might be interesting for you.

Talking about the DS-2, I somehow never loved this pedal and got rid of it. Even if it was an early JP produced pedal, I somehow found the sound to be to harsh for me. I really had no use for that kind of tone. The DS-1 is more creamy in my opinion.

However, I don't think John used it that often (except from the BSSM recording era). Dani California & Black Cross are the only LIVE songs I have in my head right now, but he may have used it for other songs aswell.




MXR Phase 90: He uses it at the Jam after Scar Tissue (OFF THE MAP DVD)

CE-1: Suck My Kiss (OFF THE MAP DVD) and maybe in studio aswell. The Suck My Kiss has hearable Chorus & Distortion on the original master track on BSSM.

Okay, I've seen that Frusciante had a Boss FZ-3, and then a Russian Big Muff; I didn't realise the Big Muff was a fuzz at all! xD

I'm hopefully getting a WH10V2 in the next few weeks, and then I think I'll be getting a Chorus (Small Clone?), Phaser and Big Muff. Unfortunately the DL4 and CE-1 are out of my budget atm :L

Thanks for the replies

[born2lose]

nom_nom, on 06 December 2010 - 10:24 PM, said:

m-80, on 03 December 2010 - 05:14 PM, said:

Hi! A lot of stuff from BSSM is on DS-2. IE Mellowship.

Soul to squeeze: CE-1
Strip My mind solo: Big Muff

anachronism, on 04 December 2010 - 03:37 AM, said:

If you're having trouble identifying the sounds, just stick to a DS-2 and maybe a wah pedal. You'll do fine! The Big Muff is just a different kind of distortion (and some sustain), and junk like CE-1 your ear just isn't trained to hear. You'll catch on after a while, but until then, don't go spending money on pedals and other junk when it sounds fine to you. DS-2 is his distortion for nearly everything. If you switch it to mode 1 and crank down the volume on the guitar (3-5ish?), you get the nice under the bridge sound from your neck pickup.

Look on youtube for RHCP guitar covers by bedroom guitarists. If their sound seems to have something you're lacking (might be the fingerwork, amp, or guitar. There are some very talented kids out there) then check out what equipment they used or drop a comment asking.

Edit: This chick does some impressive RHCP covers.

Thanks you guys, and thanks for the link to youtube as well

born2lose, on 04 December 2010 - 10:09 AM, said:

Don't get me wrong bro, but if you are really thinking about spending money on guitar pedals, you should at least know what they sound like.

An EHX Big Muff mill somehow always sound like a FUZZ PEDAL because it actually is one, same with other types of pedals like the DS-2, which is a (TURBO) DISTORTION PEDDAL. You may find help checking out the EHX website for example as they provide a huge amount of tone files and videos. But to be honest, these are are basic things you need to know before considering about getting any type of effect pedal. If you are not familiar of what is the difference between a Fuzz and Distortion Pedal, you may want to inform yourself.

This German music store website contains some sound samples of products they are offering -> thomann.de It should be available in your language aswell. They are offering some basic product guide on each piece of equipment, too which might be interesting for you.

Talking about the DS-2, I somehow never loved this pedal and got rid of it. Even if it was an early JP produced pedal, I somehow found the sound to be to harsh for me. I really had no use for that kind of tone. The DS-1 is more creamy in my opinion.

However, I don't think John used it that often (except from the BSSM recording era). Dani California & Black Cross are the only LIVE songs I have in my head right now, but he may have used it for other songs aswell.




MXR Phase 90: He uses it at the Jam after Scar Tissue (OFF THE MAP DVD)

CE-1: Suck My Kiss (OFF THE MAP DVD) and maybe in studio aswell. The Suck My Kiss has hearable Chorus & Distortion on the original master track on BSSM.

Okay, I've seen that Frusciante had a Boss FZ-3, and then a Russian Big Muff; I didn't realise the Big Muff was a fuzz at all! xD

I'm hopefully getting a WH10V2 in the next few weeks, and then I think I'll be getting a Chorus (Small Clone?), Phaser and Big Muff. Unfortunately the DL4 and CE-1 are out of my budget atm :L

Thanks for the replies

A BOSS CE-2 ist a pretty good choice. Sounds a little warmer and fatter than the so hyped CE-1 and costs almost the same like a new BOSS Chorus pedals, built in these days.

I really love my CE-1, but the later BOSS CE units (from CE-2 onwards) are built for guitar and take the high input signal much easier.

[mcgraftrock]

John most DEFINITELY uses his DS-2 on almost ever live show he did with the peppers...listen to most of his solos and you can hear that...the DS-2 in turbo mode gives his solo that (now this is my interpretation) almost violin/ wood wind instrument sound to the distortion, most notably in scar tissue live....a chorus pedal blends the regular signal with a slightly out of tune one, listen to almost any Soul to Squeeze live...the big muff is more of a alternative/grunge rock distortion, jack white uses it alot...and the phaser is what he uses at the end of parallel universe, among some other things...my advice would be: dont buy a DS-1...a DS-2, although about 50 dollars more, can make the same sound as a DS-1, plus sounds even better AND WAAAAAAAY CREAMIER when switched to turbo, homeboy above has got to be mistaken

[nom_nom]

mcgraftrock, on 08 December 2010 - 08:31 AM, said:

John most DEFINITELY uses his DS-2 on almost ever live show he did with the peppers...listen to most of his solos and you can hear that...the DS-2 in turbo mode gives his solo that (now this is my interpretation) almost violin/ wood wind instrument sound to the distortion, most notably in scar tissue live....a chorus pedal blends the regular signal with a slightly out of tune one, listen to almost any Soul to Squeeze live...the big muff is more of a alternative/grunge rock distortion, jack white uses it alot...and the phaser is what he uses at the end of parallel universe, among some other things...my advice would be: dont buy a DS-1...a DS-2, although about 50 dollars more, can make the same sound as a DS-1, plus sounds even better AND WAAAAAAAY CREAMIER when switched to turbo, homeboy above has got to be mistaken

Have you got any rough settings that I should try out for the DS-2? I've got quite a few to try out but another wouldn't hurt :L

[born2lose]

mcgraftrock, on 08 December 2010 - 08:31 AM, said:

John most DEFINITELY uses his DS-2 on almost ever live show he did with the peppers...listen to most of his solos and you can hear that...the DS-2 in turbo mode gives his solo that (now this is my interpretation) almost violin/ wood wind instrument sound to the distortion, most notably in scar tissue live....a chorus pedal blends the regular signal with a slightly out of tune one, listen to almost any Soul to Squeeze live...the big muff is more of a alternative/grunge rock distortion, jack white uses it alot...and the phaser is what he uses at the end of parallel universe, among some other things...my advice would be: dont buy a DS-1...a DS-2, although about 50 dollars more, can make the same sound as a DS-1, plus sounds even better AND WAAAAAAAY CREAMIER when switched to turbo, homeboy above has got to be mistaken

just checked the pedalboards and you are right at this point. he actually later got rid of the ds-1 instead of the ds-2.

and yeah phasing in at the end of parallel universe. but I wonder if I can get together at least a handful of songs he uses it with the peppers.

however, even if he uses the ds-2, I don't like it's sound. maybe you will get a good sound in front of an stadium like backline with your 100W amp cranked up, but I found the ds-1 it way nicer to handle at home. turbo mode is ugly mid bosst, btw. which I hate pretty much. Plus I really claim he uses the muff in almost every scar tissue.

Might be a matter of taste when it comes to this. Not each piece of gear John uses will automatically sound good and reproduce his tone and of course, suit your tone. I somehow love / hate that my CE-1 clips that quick and it fucks op the whole signal chain for some reason. I don't want to rape it with any mods, so I really have to get compromises here, which is a real pain in the ass. I still don't get how john handles it with the CE-1. I guess this should also be the reason why he uses that Major head, which has 300(?)W. These heads are able to boost the low output clean for the stadium situation.


All good advises aside, you should give it at try at your local music store. if this is not possible, most online dealers provide a 30 day period where you can test and return your gear. so you really have nothing to lose.

[mcgraftrock]

nom_nom, on 08 December 2010 - 10:57 AM, said:

mcgraftrock, on 08 December 2010 - 08:31 AM, said:

John most DEFINITELY uses his DS-2 on almost ever live show he did with the peppers...listen to most of his solos and you can hear that...the DS-2 in turbo mode gives his solo that (now this is my interpretation) almost violin/ wood wind instrument sound to the distortion, most notably in scar tissue live....a chorus pedal blends the regular signal with a slightly out of tune one, listen to almost any Soul to Squeeze live...the big muff is more of a alternative/grunge rock distortion, jack white uses it alot...and the phaser is what he uses at the end of parallel universe, among some other things...my advice would be: dont buy a DS-1...a DS-2, although about 50 dollars more, can make the same sound as a DS-1, plus sounds even better AND WAAAAAAAY CREAMIER when switched to turbo, homeboy above has got to be mistaken

Have you got any rough settings that I should try out for the DS-2? I've got quite a few to try out but another wouldn't hurt :L

yeah...turn the distortion to max, and the tone knob to about 10 oclock...make sure it is on turbo

[anachronism]

nom_nom, on 06 December 2010 - 10:24 PM, said:

I'm hopefully getting a WH10V2 in the next few weeks, and then I think I'll be getting a Chorus (Small Clone?), Phaser and Big Muff. Unfortunately the DL4 and CE-1 are out of my budget atm :L

Thanks for the replies

Please, please, please return the WH10V2, if you've tried the pedal in person you'll see it's nothing like a WH10, it just sucks the life right out of your music. It was a swell idea, but the pedals are built poorly (frequently they're a bitch to bypass, they break, start hissing... it's awful) and they just don't have the sound of the original. If you just want a good wah that'll get you that Frusciante sound pick up a Crybaby From Hell (or even the regular crybaby, it's a wonderful pedal). Frusciante's used crybabies in (since Californication, I think) shows and the studio, but you know he'd never set foot on a WH10v2.

[nom_nom]

anachronism, on 14 December 2010 - 05:38 AM, said:

nom_nom, on 06 December 2010 - 10:24 PM, said:

I'm hopefully getting a WH10V2 in the next few weeks, and then I think I'll be getting a Chorus (Small Clone?), Phaser and Big Muff. Unfortunately the DL4 and CE-1 are out of my budget atm :L

Thanks for the replies

Please, please, please return the WH10V2, if you've tried the pedal in person you'll see it's nothing like a WH10, it just sucks the life right out of your music. It was a swell idea, but the pedals are build poorly (frequently they're a bitch to bypass, they break, start hissing... it's awful) and they just don't have the sound of the original. If you just want a good wah that'll get you that Frusciante sound pick up a Crybaby From Hell (or even the regular crybaby, it's a wonderful pedal). Frusciante's used crybabies in (since Californication, I think) shows and the studio, but you know he'd never set foot on a WH10v2.

I'm not sure if I am getting it yet, but I'll give it a go as I've found one (New!) for £60, and that's the same price roughly as a CryBaby. If it's crap, I'll return it and go straight for the CryBaby though

http://www.youtube.c...u/1/2B6LvBVsrZQ

This guy uses the WH10v2, and I think that's what hooked me haha

BTW, which CryBaby is the best?? I've seen that there's quite a few out there, and I wanna' get the right one!

nom_nom