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[ryanliamg]

I figure it starts with a Marshall Jubilee... Any helpful tips?
This is really the only tone I want to be able to achieve.

BTW Lyon 6.6.06 is a RHCP b-side on a Tell Me Baby single.
DEFINITELY worth listening to if you appreciate Mr. Frusciante.

[anachronism]

Canya link us to the song somewhere?

[bobthecow]

wah pedal and a ds2 with occasional chorus and phaser

[ryanliamg]

i've never noticed any chorus or phaser. can you point that out for me?

anachronism - i'm afraid all i can find is a little bit of footage from the show on youtube. the climax is like 8 seconds after the clip ends, but here you go:

[SkylinGTR26]

It sounds like he's going from his strat to his wah, some sort of distortion, into the marshall major.
You've gotta crank it and there you go.

[ryanliamg]

SkylinGTR26, on 07 October 2010 - 07:48 PM, said:

It sounds like he's going from his strat to his wah, some sort of distortion, into the marshall major.
You've gotta crank it and there you go.

Why do you think it's going into his Marshall Major as opposed to his Jubilee?

[SwedishFruscianteFan]

Obviously some reverb as well. Sounds like the Holy Grail at about 2-3 o'clock.

Uploaded the whole performance.

http://www.mediafire...1udku41267efjke

[bobthecow]

If you listen to the intro of that entire piece, you chorus in it... either that or he is using some kind of synth. It isn't just a regular feedback, there is some oscillation to it.

[SkylinGTR26]

John mentioned that he was using his Marshall Major on the empyrean... i sorta would assume he would be using it for a lead sound also...
I'm not exactly sure in what ways the amps would sound different cranked anyway... besides the jubilee breaking up sooner.
The major being a 200w, you'd stay clean forever, so he'd need a distortion pedal. I'm guessing probably a fuzz... compression also thrown in there...
Yes, he also has to have some sort of reverb on, probably the holy stain, but i doubt at 2-3 oclock...
The thing is, there is natural, stadium reverb, so it sounds like he's got on alot. But you need to factor in the natural stadium reverb.

[ryanliamg]

I know John said that he used the same setup for The Empyrean as he does live, so that could mean either the jubilee or the major or both. As for reverb, I remember reading somewhere that he thinks they're a hassle. I doubt he actually has one setup for this, however on the track, which was mastered by some guy, there is definite reverb, but I'm pretty sure there's a part where you can hear that it is probably added in afterwards.

[Hedegaardo1]

Well John splits his signal from the CE-1 into both the Major and the Jubilee, so I doubt that you only hear one of the amps here... I heard cranked amp(s) + WH10 + Micro amp.. I don't think there is enough distortion in the tone for it to be the DS-2... Neither do I hear any chorus/phase.. I think it's just a product of wah+cranked amp

[SkylinGTR26]

yep, Hedegaardo1 i think you've got it spot on.
I was thinkin it could be the micro amp, but, for some reason i thought he removed it on the stadium arcadium tour.
Turns out he kept it, so you're right.

[ryanliamg]

i've always wanted to get the micro amp, but i never thought it would actually get me closer to john's tone. they're kinda expensive for what they do.

[micromnml]

ryanliamg, on 09 October 2010 - 10:43 PM, said:

i've always wanted to get the micro amp, but i never thought it would actually get me closer to john's tone. they're kinda expensive for what they do.

I have a micro amp. I feel there are many other better sounding boosters out there. The micro amp really depends on your amp, pedals and guitar tone. Solely it doesn't sound great, maybe a littler 'brighter' however. Its a real basic sound and just ads more gain to whatever setup you have. Nothing special at all. Get a decent tube amp and consider the Analogman Beano boost and Zvex Super hard-on for some hectic boost tones. A good amp that has good over-driven tones is much more crucial in achieving JF's tones.

[Mr Hawk]

in my opinion at the beginning john uses the ds-2 with chorus. i can't understand if the micro amp is used here.
micro amp or not, you have to play the "calm" part with a slight distortion (i use the crunch of my jcm 800) with wh-10 and a lot of reverb (the holy grail).
in the fast solo part i'm 100% sure that john plays with a fuzz pedal like the big muff or the english muffin because of the noise you can hear a moment before the fast part begins, which is the "click" of a switch like the one on the big muff. (not on the ds-2)
anyway in the end john deactivates the wh 10 and the muff.
i'm quite sure also that micro amp is still activated even in the last chord (the A minor). it is played with a lot of crunch (with the micro amp i think) without any other effects.