What am I looking for?
Would an attack modifier work?
http://www.guitarcen...409-i1368329.gc
I can't use a delay pedal because the notes I need to play don't start or end on regular intervals so I can't just put the tempo in.
Is there an auto-volume pedal that would work?
Would a synth do the trick?
http://www.guitarcen...115-i1124733.gc
Some kind of filter?
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Reverse guitar effects pedalLooking for one...
Started by anachronism, Apr 26 2010 07:03 AM
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Posted 26 April 2010 - 07:03 AM
"Take that fucking sign down." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 26 April 2010 - 03:35 PM
Just use your guitar's volume control or a volume pedal.
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Posted 26 April 2010 - 10:53 PM
the attack equalizer isnt going to do the job. neither will the filter or the synth.
i know you said you cant use a delay, but my dd-6 has a pretty cool delay setting
a volume pedal is prob your best bet
im assuming you need to play these reverse parts live right?
i know you said you cant use a delay, but my dd-6 has a pretty cool delay setting
a volume pedal is prob your best bet
im assuming you need to play these reverse parts live right?
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 07:24 AM
Yeah, needs to be live. Is there any kind of auto volume gate? It'd be difficult to do that with a volume pedal and it won't fix the attack itself. The initial pick attack will still be heard as just that. (It'll be present in the beginning of a note and absent at the end of a note where it belongs.)
"Take that fucking sign down." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 12:17 PM
Oh I see what you mean...well, I think the only option is to get another delay pedal, or one that can do both simultaneously.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:54 PM
with the volume pedal you can swell after the initial pick attack so no, you wont hear it. but you're right, it wont be at the end
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Posted 28 April 2010 - 04:49 AM
A delay pedal won't do the trick; the notes are at irregular intervals. Using more at once won't do it.
"Take that fucking sign down." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 28 April 2010 - 01:10 PM
Well you could try a Danelectro Back Talk if you can find one, it is supposed to be the closest thing to a "reversed track" (which you can't phisically recreate "live") 
http://guitars.music...edal?sku=151893
EDIT: In this video it's being used after 3.20
http://guitars.music...edal?sku=151893
EDIT: In this video it's being used after 3.20
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Posted 29 April 2010 - 01:18 AM
Again, that's just reversed delay. I have a Boss DD-20, so I can do reverse delay. I need an automatic volume gate, basically.
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"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 29 April 2010 - 01:05 PM
Alright but even with that, you won't be able to reproduce the "reversed attack" sound, typical of a reversed track.
Ah, you mean something like the Boss Slow Gear then http://www.bossarea....e=boxes/sg1.xml
Behringer does a copy since the boss is out of production and extreeeeeeeemely rare, never tried one though http://www.behringer...ucts/SM200.aspx
Or you could get someone to clone the boss (just look on youtube)
PS: Anyways, IMHO, a good knob or pedal volume swell with delay is just fine for live situations, or that Danelectro for complicated parts/lazy people
Ah, you mean something like the Boss Slow Gear then
http://www.bossarea....e=boxes/sg1.xmlBehringer does a copy since the boss is out of production and extreeeeeeeemely rare, never tried one though http://www.behringer...ucts/SM200.aspx
Or you could get someone to clone the boss (just look on youtube)
PS: Anyways, IMHO, a good knob or pedal volume swell with delay is just fine for live situations, or that Danelectro for complicated parts/lazy people
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Posted 01 May 2010 - 03:59 AM
Why would I need an attack mod if it already played backwards? I just need something that records the attack volume and starts building up to it until you let go.
"Take that fucking sign down." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 01 May 2010 - 04:51 PM
Haha I'm a bit confused. On my ME-50, I can set one (or two) of the parameters all the way down or up (can't remember which) and then the original signal won't be heard, only the reverse effect, as soon as I hit a note.
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Posted 01 May 2010 - 10:48 PM
anachronism, on 01 May 2010 - 03:59 AM, said:
Why would I need an attack mod if it already played backwards? I just need something that records the attack volume and starts building up to it until you let go.
Well the Slow Gear (and similars) does actually that!!!
What I meant about the attack is that on a *real* reversed track you can clearly hear the "pick attack" when the revered note ends before the next one starts its build up, but this can't be achieved "live" and if you don't care, then you got what you were looking for
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Posted 02 May 2010 - 08:38 AM
Reverse delay:
Records continuously
Once delay_time has passed, starts playing what you hit at that moment and starts working backwards to zero.
Repeat.
It has to work on a constant interval of delay_time, and that's the issue here.
Can you tell me what function of the ME-50 you were using?
@ggg: The "Slow Gear" is reversed delay. It's just delay except it plays it back to you backwards. Has to function on regular intervals, and that won't do.
Records continuously
Once delay_time has passed, starts playing what you hit at that moment and starts working backwards to zero.
Repeat.
It has to work on a constant interval of delay_time, and that's the issue here.
Can you tell me what function of the ME-50 you were using?
@ggg: The "Slow Gear" is reversed delay. It's just delay except it plays it back to you backwards. Has to function on regular intervals, and that won't do.
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"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 02 May 2010 - 12:00 PM
^ Reverse (of the delay)
I think it's the time knob that has to be turned all the way down...
I think it's the time knob that has to be turned all the way down...
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Posted 02 May 2010 - 07:54 PM
anachronism, on 02 May 2010 - 08:38 AM, said:
@ggg: The "Slow Gear" is reversed delay. It's just delay except it plays it back to you backwards. Has to function on regular intervals, and that won't do.
Ergh, no it's not... Maybe there are some patches on digital multi-fx which are called "slow gear" and are actually a reverse delay 100% wet, but that pedal it's not
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Posted 11 May 2010 - 02:13 AM
Gotcha, I saw a demo. There was a knockoff I saw that was reverse-delay. Nice pedal, not quite sure it'd make the reverse guitar effect sound quite right, but it could certainly make something similar enough to pass in any live situation!
"Take that fucking sign down." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 11 May 2010 - 09:08 AM
the line 6 dl-4 has a reverse effect that i use. it's also a sampler so i can record 4 measures straight and when i play them back i can make it go in reverse as well.
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 12:12 AM
Like I said, I've got a DD-20, so I can do up to 23 seconds of reversed delay or something, it's just necessary sometimes to have something that goes forwards so I don't have to chop up the music (or in situations where you're playing more than 23 seconds of irregularly timed notes such as Castles Made of Sand).
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"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 13 May 2010 - 04:52 AM
Shit man get a cassette recorder and practice flipping it around really quick or something. That or become an electrical engineer or a jedi master. I think the Line 6 was your last hope. Gear snobs is the perfect title for this section.
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