I'm trying to make do and get a late period Zeppelin sound (NOT the sound from the album Houses of the Holy though. Think III/IV/Physical Graffiti) with a Strat and a Blackstar HT-5 combo amp. What sort of effects pedals would you recommend? The important parts of the sound are the really piercing high notes and the low note bends that sound like a gate opening that needs oil.
The best example I can give you is actually Stairway to Heaven, the last 2 riffs of the solo.
Low note (below 12th fret) bends sound like a creaky door (kinda fuzzed, you hear "breaks" in the bend, if that makes any sense):
6:38 in
Also around 1:07 and 1:31 into Darlene from the album Coda (the whole song has the low-note sound I want)
High notes (above 12th fret) piercing and clean (no fuzz, no dirt, just drive):
6:43 in
and also
Those are the clearest examples of the sound I'm trying to emulate.
Obviously I'm not going to replace my pickups with humbuckers and my amp with an antique Marshall and mod it like Page did. I'm looking for pedals that I can chain to emulate that sound. I've got a tube amp that sounds like a tube amp even at low volumes, so I'd prefer all analog/valve effects. I tried the OS/2 by Boss and got the low bit right, but it sounded thin and lifeless, and the high notes weren't nearly sharp enough for my tastes. I tried a Big Pi Muff with tone wicker distortion, and the tone wicker had the high notes almost right, but the low was way too thick and the volume died when I turned the drive on my amp on. Boss BD-2 doesn't do the trick, I got the low note bends to sound almost right again, but it was less than impressive.
The real problem is getting both sounds together. I tried picking a guy's brain at guitar center, but the only guy that was there the day I stopped by was the least helpful one at the store, and he didn't really listen so well. (I don't think he knew late Zeppelin from early Zeppelin either.)
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Led Zeppelin soundHow do I get it?
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 01:18 AM
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"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 03:38 AM
Most of Page's sound also came from the guitar he used, mostly Gibsons which are more mellow and are great for overdriven amps. Your best bet here would be to select the bridge pickup of your Strat and just grab your tube amp and drive it to a very high level. Once you find that sweet spot with the amp, you can use any distortion pedal or an overdrive pedal to accentuate the highs if you are missing that drive sound, or the lows for the fuzzy sound. Although, the pedal should be on a very low level, just to give it some boost. The DS-2 is great for boosting the mids with a sound that is clearer and cleaner than the low notes, if you set it up correctly (on a very low level) and with your driven amp, you may be able to recreate to some degree that Jimi Page sound, although I'm not 100% sure it would work. You could also try using a boost, such as the MXR clean boost to drive your amp even further.
Ultimately, if none of that works, I guess you could use a POD, although I really hate them and I don't like the sounds they make. However, I don't know what is your opinion on them.
Ultimately, if none of that works, I guess you could use a POD, although I really hate them and I don't like the sounds they make. However, I don't know what is your opinion on them.
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 04:03 AM
i agree with bobby for the most part, driving your amp is important.
but jimmy page often used strats for recording, and was good at making little amps sound big. i know that he used a telecaster to record the stairway solo, and i think he used vox and fender amps for most of their studio sessions.
as for pedals, maybe you should just use what he did...sola sound tone bender fuzz pedal
but jimmy page often used strats for recording, and was good at making little amps sound big. i know that he used a telecaster to record the stairway solo, and i think he used vox and fender amps for most of their studio sessions.
as for pedals, maybe you should just use what he did...sola sound tone bender fuzz pedal
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 04:23 AM
fenderfunk14, on Feb 8 2010, 10:03 PM, said:
i agree with bobby for the most part, driving your amp is important.
but jimmy page often used strats for recording, and was good at making little amps sound big. i know that he used a telecaster to record the stairway solo, and i think he used vox and fender amps for most of their studio sessions.
as for pedals, maybe you should just use what he did...sola sound tone bender fuzz pedal
but jimmy page often used strats for recording, and was good at making little amps sound big. i know that he used a telecaster to record the stairway solo, and i think he used vox and fender amps for most of their studio sessions.
as for pedals, maybe you should just use what he did...sola sound tone bender fuzz pedal
Where would I find a Sola Sound Tone Bender fuzz pedal? How much do they go for? Any non-vintage sort of re-creation I could use instead?
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"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 05:27 AM
the throbak stonebender pedal is a spot on clone of the tone bender fuzz pedal used during zep's bbc sessions
http://gundrymedia.typepad.com/throbak_ele..._bender_mk.html
i've also heard that this is a great pedal to emulate page's sound...the MJM brit bender
http://www.mjmguitar.../britbender.htm
http://gundrymedia.typepad.com/throbak_ele..._bender_mk.html
i've also heard that this is a great pedal to emulate page's sound...the MJM brit bender
http://www.mjmguitar.../britbender.htm
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 05:29 AM
The Stone Bender had some points in the demo where it sounded great, but overall it was just mediocre. The Brit Bender I didn't like very much at all. I'd definitely like to find something in the vein of the Stone Bender...
"Take that fucking sign down." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 06:24 AM
heres a few more that claim to capture the sound of zepellin/page/sola tonebender
Prescription yardbox
http://www.stevesmus.../PEYardbox.html
fulltone soulbender
heres a few demos i found quick:
Prescription yardbox
http://www.stevesmus.../PEYardbox.html
fulltone soulbender
heres a few demos i found quick:
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 11:22 PM
Gotta say, I saw one demo on youtube, but I dunno where to find the pedal. The others sound less than impressive to me. Just not the same thing, ya know?
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"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 11:44 PM
http://www.musictoyz.../colorsound.php
theres your pedal. looks pricey.
keep in mind your fingers have a lot to do with his sound, so does the studio settings, effects, mixing, etc.
theres your pedal. looks pricey.
keep in mind your fingers have a lot to do with his sound, so does the studio settings, effects, mixing, etc.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 09:03 AM
fenderfunk14, on Feb 9 2010, 05:44 PM, said:
http://www.musictoyz.../colorsound.php
theres your pedal. looks pricey.
keep in mind your fingers have a lot to do with his sound, so does the studio settings, effects, mixing, etc.
theres your pedal. looks pricey.
keep in mind your fingers have a lot to do with his sound, so does the studio settings, effects, mixing, etc.
Yeah, there well be no studio settings. I've got the fingerwork down, I just can't get some of the sounds out. (Like, in seven years I'd maybe be able to get the sound I want by doing half-assed pinch harmonics on my lower note bends, so that it sorta gets an inbetween sound, but I can't hit that with any sort of consistency, and I certainly can't do that with a singe coil.)
I guess I'll just have to keep my eyes out for germanium transistor fuzz effects at a reasonable price. Do they make those anymore? (Germanium transistor fuzz effects, that is.)
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"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 04:39 PM
all of the fuzzboxes i posted above are germanium fuzzes
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 09:04 PM
Of course ya can do it with a single coil , iv done it .. jsut mess with settings and turn up hella Loud , its nice to be addicted to getting that perfect sound , but studio and e.q add a lot to it . turn up and rock the fuck out of it !!!
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Posted 11 February 2010 - 01:49 AM
No, the half-assed pinch harmonic sound doesn't come out as well on a single coil, it kills the volume on the note and doesn't have the same ring to it a humbucker does. (Had an HSS Squier, switched to a SSS Standard.)
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"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:36 PM
well that doesnt mean it doesnt come out well om all single coils .. mess around have fun with it rather than aiming for this super sound cos i don know will ya ever be happy ?
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Posted 11 February 2010 - 04:55 PM
agreed, ive seen tons of people hunt for this tone unsuccessfully. do the best you can and be happy with it.
and those half assed pinch harmonics ARE done with a single coil, page recorded the stairway solo with a 58 telecaster into a supro amp
sounds to me like theres some reverb/echo/delay on the solo too.
dont give up on your singles.
and those half assed pinch harmonics ARE done with a single coil, page recorded the stairway solo with a 58 telecaster into a supro amp
sounds to me like theres some reverb/echo/delay on the solo too.
dont give up on your singles.
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Posted 13 February 2010 - 07:00 PM
fenderfunk14, on Feb 11 2010, 10:55 AM, said:
agreed, ive seen tons of people hunt for this tone unsuccessfully. do the best you can and be happy with it.
and those half assed pinch harmonics ARE done with a single coil, page recorded the stairway solo with a 58 telecaster into a supro amp
sounds to me like theres some reverb/echo/delay on the solo too.
dont give up on your singles.
and those half assed pinch harmonics ARE done with a single coil, page recorded the stairway solo with a 58 telecaster into a supro amp
sounds to me like theres some reverb/echo/delay on the solo too.
dont give up on your singles.
Solo's definitely got some reverb, not sure what kind. The half-assed pinch-harmonics are my way of mocking the sound he gets out of the amp and/or fuzzbox if he uses one. He didn't do it in the solo, I'm just trying to cheat & get his sound without expensive equipment.
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"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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Posted 14 February 2010 - 04:41 AM
Your fingers really do have a lot to do with tone. He has great technique.
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Posted 14 February 2010 - 05:00 PM
but he was sloppy cheating robbing fucker
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but he was sloppy cheating robbing fucker
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Yeah, he was sloppy, which makes it really hard to imitate him. Frustrating indeed.
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"Well, it was put to me by "that guy" when I was, like, four. So I went into my parents' record collection and found a rock'n'roll compilation. And when my mom asked if I wanted to move to L.A., I said, "Yeah," because I knew that was where the rock stars were. I was seven. Then when I found punk and listened to the Germs, I started seeing how I was part of this. I remember being out on the baseball field when I was 11, and I felt like such an outsider. Standing there in right field, I started making up an angry punk song in my head, and I went home and wrote, like, 20 songs in a row. I realized it didn't even matter if I knew how to play guitar yet." -John Frusciante
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