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[jf355333]

It seems like since I've started playing guitar, if I learn a new song, sometimes something that made me like it goes away since I know part of it is a tangible, physical entity. But then I realize something more about it and it turns into a completely new song and I love it
Anyone else feel anything like this?

[aljian]

Absolutely. Hearing a song just with one part is analyzing it; understanding how John wrote it and his intentions. I think playing a song shows you something that you can't always pick up from the recording. Playing a song can give you a total different insight.

[Colossus]

Hmm... I have different feelings. It's funny, but when I learn some new song, soon it is very possible that I would get bored listening it. When I know lirics and melody... the song can't show me antything else... but i still love to play it. Or make my own solo for it.

[aDevilAmongUs]

I agree with aljian. Especially once you've learned multiple songs from the same artist, you can get alot of insight into how their mind works.. It's hard to explain but its definatley true.

[jf355333]

Yeah I agree with this. Its like getting inside them even more.

[omission]

yeah, all of the above

[aljian]

The only case that playing it has made me bored of it is possibly mellowship slinky. The guitar part during "good god..." is just slightly agitating after 100 odd listens and then learning it.

[orangesquirrel]

yeah it gives you a whole new way to hear the song, meld it into your own view of it

but also, i find it sometimes diminishes the reason i listen to the song, which isnt a good thing

it really depends on the song i spose

[ray_likethefish]

When i don't know a song, i hear it in my mind as music, but when i know how to play it, i seee it in my mind as some kind of magical fretboard. sounds really trippy but i just imagine the chords as i hear them.... weird eh?

[funkymonk]

ray_likethefish, on Aug 30 2005, 07:20 PM, said:

When i don't know a song, i hear it in my mind as music, but when i know how to play it, i seee it in my mind as some kind of magical fretboard. sounds really trippy but i just imagine the chords as i hear them.... weird eh?

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it's pretty much the same for me. when i know how to play a song when i hear it i imagine myself or the artist playing it the way i do.

[jf355333]

funkymonk, on Aug 30 2005, 05:34 PM, said:

ray_likethefish, on Aug 30 2005, 07:20 PM, said:

When i don't know a song, i hear it in my mind as music, but when i know how to play it, i seee it in my mind as some kind of magical fretboard. sounds really trippy but i just imagine the chords as i hear them.... weird eh?

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it's pretty much the same for me. when i know how to play a song when i hear it i imagine myself or the artist playing it the way i do.

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I get what you mean as well, I can see it playing in my head as it goes

[Don]

learning how to play the song makes me love it even more. there's nothing like playing guitar while listening to SCWP (acoustic). i get a big kick out of it.

[orangesquirrel]

jf355333, on Sep 1 2005, 02:56 AM, said:

funkymonk, on Aug 30 2005, 05:34 PM, said:

ray_likethefish, on Aug 30 2005, 07:20 PM, said:

When i don't know a song, i hear it in my mind as music, but when i know how to play it, i seee it in my mind as some kind of magical fretboard. sounds really trippy but i just imagine the chords as i hear them.... weird eh?

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it's pretty much the same for me. when i know how to play a song when i hear it i imagine myself or the artist playing it the way i do.

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I get what you mean as well, I can see it playing in my head as it goes

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i have the exact same thing
and also, when i learn a song, and am trying to think of it cause theres a crap song in my head, it makes it easier to remember the structure of it (the order of all the parts and all)

[SiberianKhatru]

There are some songs I will hear and just immediately think...I have to fucking learn that instantly. I find that a lot of the time songs I have learned how to play...make me feel something special for that song, and you feel very connected to it. And a lot of the times I will hear a song and feel the need to play along with the song.
But learning some songs does take away the mystique of the song. For me though...with a lot of RHCP songs...I will play my own solos and throw in my own fills and things. Playing along with btw, cali, and bssm is basically how I got really good at guitar. But I can still find myself going back to these albums and finding new things. Music can always be exciting as long as you are dedicated to it...and just let it flow through you freely.

[Silverla]

I don't know, it's weird. It doesn't change my enjoyment of the song to listen to. I have always had a slightly odd habit of picking out individual parts to listen to with songs I know really well anyway, so it's not like I hear the guitar more or anything necessarily. I think what it does do is deepen my appreciation of the song as a piece of music, knowing how difficult/complex it is to play, knowing how it 'feels' to play it, having attached my own emotions to it, and stuff. Yeah, that's the best way I can explain it.

[Hindenburg]

For me, after I learn the song, I no longer feel that sensation inside when it hits your favorite part of the song, I see the song as something technical, something that flows through my fingers and into my bass, and out of my amp. A few songs still have that magic though, like Scar Tissue, and Under the Bridge.

[CerpinTaxt]

I haven't learned how to play any songs in a while because it does often take away from the song for me. Anyway, I want to be as original as possible, though for example, John Frusciante is a HUGE influence on my soloing, that's from listening, not analyzing. I spend most of my time practicing, writing, and improvising by myself.

I'm not going to say I don't like learning how to play other people's songs, that's a huge statement to make, I will just say that at this point in time, I don't feel like it.

[Jurjen]

Most of the times, the song gets dull or something for me, though with John Frusciante, the opposite happens: I get to appreciate the song even more. Examples: Carvel and Road Trippin'. Especially the last one is now one of my favourites. Loooove the thingie John does at the end of the second line after the solo

[Surrogate_Helical]

Some songs i feel like i want to learn..so will learn it. However there are some songs that I will have to listen to over and over again to help train my ears to pick out the chords or the seperate notes. This to me is just a terrible way of destroying a song..simply because of the passion i feel for John's music in particular.

I know that if i learn it..i will want to play it more. The best times to hear a song are those random, idle times where ur in the right place to just really get into a certain peice of music..i dont want to spoil it by playing it over and over.

In fact i often find that when i listen to some songs i have to stop a them halfway through because i feel as though it is too good to listen to at that point in time...thats kinda strange i guess, but iv come to appriciate it.

[yeh_yeh_]

if i learn a song that i wouldn't really listen to such as a jazz piece, which is definatly not my favourite genre, or a song by someone who i'm not fussed on, I get an appreciation for what they have written. Even if its something that I wouldn't listen to or play ever again.

But some songs such as I Could Have Lied, I enjoy playing them more than what i do listening to them.