Maya____and the Cosmic Dance

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  1. Before the beginning

    I "half" realized you were making a joke. But then, "your discovery" was too great of a joke for me to pay attention if you were serious or not. What you two say about the relationship between mind and reality, I would put it this way: The mind sees what it wants to see, and it doesn`t see what it does not want to see. We need to have a mind atuned to insights in order to find insights in the world. Just as you need loving eyes to see love in the people around you. That is not to say, the insights or the love you find don`t resemble the actual world. We just need to have activated our "receptors". If our minds don`t want to see love and insight we will hardly find it even if it`s right in front of our eyes. And for the "danger" of discovering too much: I`d rather see more than there is than less. Just imagine how horrible, living in a gray and flat and meaningless world only because our minds didn`t want see the beauty, love and meaning there actually is. What a nightmare. As for me, I will never be able to believe in the "scientific sobriety" (though I love sciene). Being completely down-to-earth, as most of modern science wants you to be (apart from John Lilly and a few others), does not mean to see reality as it really is. It rather means to close your mind for those insights which you can only gain by becoming the insight, by transforming into it, by celebrating with your whole being a relationsship to the world. The hard-headed person who by all means trys to seperate himself from the world in order to see how it is in itself, will never be able to see any more but an extincted shadow. What`s missing in his picture is himself, his receptors. To put it more easy: Thanks for the inspiring joke. I truely enjoyed it! :gang:/>
  2. Before the beginning

    There`s even more to your discovery: 10/11 = 0,90909090 9/11 = 0,81818181 (8+1=9) 8/11 = 0,72727272 (7+2=9) 7/11 = 0,63636363 (6+3=9) 6/11 = 0,54545454 (5+4=9) 5/11 = 0,45454545 (4+5=9) 4/11 = 0,36363636 (3+6=9) 3/11 = 0,27272727 (2+7=9) 2/11 = 0,18181818 (1+8=9) 1/11 = 0,09090909 What a beautiful pattern! In all cases it comes down to 0 and 9...
  3. Before the beginning

    Dear Nimi! How did you come up with your "dividing with 11"? That`s brilliant. I would have never thought about counting the title`s letters. If we take the 11 from the title as the representative for the spiritual task as a whole and 10 as the single steps it takes to fullfil the task: we arrive at the pattern "090909090909..." - which echoes exactly the length of Before the Beginning (09:09; and is also the result of 1/11). As you indicated, "0909090.." is quite a revealing pattern. If we accept the occult interpretation of 9 and the general meaning of 0 the pattern represents an ancient concept of classical buddhism: 0 = Nothingness 9 = Ego The infinite iteration of 9 and 0 indicate a necessary relationsship between them, an ongoing movement. It also points out that the ego actually is not this dark, despicable thing it usually is reduced to, but the essential vis-a-vis to Nothingness. Wow, I`m delighted! Thank you very much for your hint. Maybe, we slightly go over the top here. Maybe, we`re seeing meaningful patterns while there actually are only numbers. But to be honest, I don`t care. The empyrean is a concept album. I love that it works on so many layers for me (or us?). Even if J. A. Frusciante did not make it up consciously, he himself confessed: "Throughout the making of this record, I felt that some force was expressing itself through me, and so I don’t claim that my understanding of it is at all definitive."
  4. Before the beginning

    I have to admit, Before the Beginning is Frusciante's only song I didn't listen to more than 3 or 4 times. When I put the Empyrean on I always start with Song to the Siren. Somehow I can't stand the drums, above all the sound of the snare drum, which to my ears comes across in a non-sensitive way. The guitar is adorable. But compared to the orgasm-like Maggot Brain it's a weak counterfeit. Nevertheless, I always found it interesting that it's 9:09 long. Not only because the album contains 10 songs, ending with After the Ending as the tenth, which closes the circle and might point out that the whole journey of the empyrean is about "nothing more but a spark in a fire". What's more interesting, according to some occult writers number 9 is the actual number of the ego. That is, because whatever you multiply nine with, you inevitably end up with number 9. The ego, whatever you built upon it, is a self-referencial loop which ends up where it started - with itself. And just like the ego, 9 multiplied with whatever you like always comes down to 9 (if you add up the the numerics of the result). For instance: 7 x 9 = 54 5 + 4 = 9 13 x 9 = 117 1 + 1 + 7 = 9 (also: 11+7= 18 or 1+17 = 18, which comes down to 9 again) 4 x 9 = 36 3 + 6 = 9 In the case of Before the Beginning there are two options: 9 x 09 = 18 1 + 8 = 9 Or: 90 x 9 = 810 8+10 = 18 1+8= 9 Was this reference intended? I have no idea. But we know John Frusciante is influenced by occult writers. And isn't the Empyrean all about the dying of the ego?
  5. Looking for Contradictions

    Hey, Ricky is not the only example. Here is another (possible) one. Whenever I listen to "God" ;)/> my ears are playing a strange trick on me. When it comes to the second line I understand simultaneously "dying" and "time". Seeing them written, they seem to be very different words. But the way John sings it/them, dying and time seem to be interchangeable. Both terms suite the context, but are somewhat opposed to each other: "So each day would be new I build you to sleep That’s the idea of dying/time but you’ll just have to see"
  6. Looking for Contradictions

    I found an interesting quote. Weird, but interesting. It`s fairly old (1994). Nonetheless relevant to the topic. It shows quite an "open-minded" attitude towards contradictions which - to such a degree - seems to be less than seldom in the western world: "Did you ever just try to disappear, actually be in another universe, when you shut your eyes?... But there's fun places you can be in the midst of all that too... Like you don't have to totally turn off your brain... Like ah... I used to do things... on stage like things to trick myself... contradict myself... like I'll tell myself I'm gonna start this solo on this fret on this note... and then right when it gets to the last second... I'm not allowed to go to that fret... and I have to start somewhere else... or I'll tell the audience that this song is dedicated to the baby born right now... right when I say it... but then when it gets to the solo... I think about the first baby born right when it gets to that solo... so the audience thinks they're thinking about the same baby as me but we're really thinking about two different babies... that kinda thing." Why do you think someone would want to do that? As is obvious from the quote above, the contradictory for John is (or was) not only a matter of poetic expression. But something more...
  7. Philosophers who inspired John

    Meister Eckhart is not very known today. But he might be the greatest philosopher of the middle ages. Here is a taste of his thoughts: "Only those who have dared to let go can dare to reenter." "We are all meant to be mothers of God, for God is always needing to be born." "If the only prayer you said in your whole life was, 'Thank You', that would suffice."
  8. Philosophers who inspired John

    As far as I remember he sometimes mentioned William Borroughs. And of course it is known that he loves Leonardo da Vinci. Neither of them are known as philosophers. But they have bequeathed us some interesting notebooks on philosophical issues. Even though he has not mentioned them (to my knowledge) - closesed to his philosophy come Heraclitus, Meister Eckhart, Hegel, William Blake, and Osho. I highly recommend Meister Eckhart.
  9. Looking for Contradictions

    Hey Patches, I didn"t quite get your last point. But I would be happy if you could explain a little further. To come back to the initial point for a second: The only other example I know of where the lyrics change drastcially by means of the way they are not quite understood and thus lead to different and contradictory interpretations is not a song by John Frusciante. It is one of my all time favorite pieces of music: "The Turn of a friendly card (Part 1)" by Alan Parsons Project. The Corus goes like this: "But the game never ends When your whole world depends On the turn of a friendly card" But when I listen closely I cannot help but unterstand defends instead of depends sometimes. It might be just me, hearing more then there is. Nevertheless, the "new" word could give the whole chorus another and contradictory meaning: "But the game never ends When your whole world defends On the turn of a friendly card"
  10. Looking for Contradictions

    I agree, those words are wonderful. The Description of the Empyrean is probably the most explicit account of his personal worldview (outside of his lyrics and music, of course). Might be the reason why he has taken it from his blog so quick. Perhaps he considered them to be too explicit. It's not a secret that he doesn't like to be nailed down to one opinion. And if you consider how many eyes are upon him and follow his life and art, you can really understand it. But that, of course, doesn't change the beauty of his words. The full article should be on this website somewhere. But I can't find it. Maybe Iva can help us out here. Until then you can go to: You have to scroll down!
  11. Looking for Contradictions

    By the way, here is what John Frusciante himself states explicitly about the concept of contradiction and opposites (from The Description of the Story of The Empyrean): "He realizes that the ways in which the imaginations source is hidden from him are guides and road signs to help him become one with that source by means of his own resourcefulness. He realizes that confusion and pain have been as much the cause of what’s made his life meaningful and pleasureful as things he mistook for being pure goodness. Everything here contains its contradiction and so up and down, left and right, forwards and backwards, happy and sad, pleasure and pain, are each two things, which are one. And all things we believe to be separate are one thing. The illusion of separateness is the cause of pain, and it is also part of the cause of all the works of beauty people have created... Pain sets us to work and gives us a basis out of which to create works, which inspire pleasure, in the same way that darkness gives the sun a basis through which to shine light. The triumphant aspect of feeling great depends on one having absorbed pain. Appreciating your own value can be achieved to whatever degree you have faced feelings of your own worthlessness. Opposites give one another their meaning."
  12. Looking for Contradictions

    Thanks again for you interesting thoughts and examples. When I found out that you can listen to "Enough of me" and "One more of me" at the same time, I was impressed a lot. No question, he outdid himself here. Showing - as he has never before - that the way up and the way down are the same (as Heraclitus said). And Patches, I think your expression "showing a fuller spectrum about life" comprises - at least in parts - why Frusciante likes to make use of contradictions. Again, from your examples, I'm surprised how essential the paradoxical is to the understanding of Frusciantes lyrics. In the few lines you quoted, FirmKick, there are two more contradictions that you didn't mark and which I never noticed before: "Holding on to facts that'll never be proven" --- As far as I know, most people would speak of facts when there is at least the possibility to prove them. "Faking an action cus no one's looking" --- Because noone is looking? Don't we usually fake actions when someone is looking?
  13. Looking for Contradictions

    Yep, he is playing games with his lyrics. But he is not "merely" playing games. He is amusing himself - and is very serious at the same time. He wants to have fun in what he's doing and at the same time confronts himself with major incidents and problems of his own life and with profound obstacles of life in general. At least, thats how I see it... walking through the joyful gate of sadness. Iva/Vivi ;)/> - I'd be very grateful if you could name an example (or as many as possible) of literate musicians who make use of paradoxes and contradictions roughly as much as Frusciante does. I wanna know about them! I mean, sure, they all play with words. But constantly and purposely using contradictory statements all the time is a different thing. And quite exceptional. But if I'm missing some great poets in the world of popmusic - I really want to learn about them.
  14. Looking for Contradictions

    Thanks a lot for sharing your insights! John loves to mumble his lyrics and it's quite hard to distinguish between can/can't, if/as and decides/besides. But as far as I'm concerned, it would be typical John to write down one line in the official lyrics and singing two or four different lines in the actual song - lines that even contradict themselves. For me, too, "the will to death is what keeps me alive" is one of the most compelling paradoxes. It seems to sum up most of what Johns lyrics and music is about. I'm a bit cautious when it comes to explain in words and detail what it means to me (though I love to read about what others say it means to them). But it definitley has a lot to do with the idea of "letting go", transferred to the universal questions of life. It's interesting that you, Fenix, mention the song "Central". As for you, for me it's one of the best pieces of music ever. I remember listening to it the very first time. Laying on my back... I was completly healthy and clean and sober... yet, the music itself changed my consciousness in a way I had never experienced before. It felt like waking up from being awake; like being thrown into the present moment "where all time starts". Especially at the end when he repeats the lines you quoted. Indeed, they contain a great contradiction. And again, it's hard to defoliate them by using words.
  15. "Book of Poetry" (Lyrics) by John Frusciante

    I have to share an idea with you which keeps on spinning around in my mind. Somewhere on this forum I read that Iva encountered Frusciantes art by reading his lyrics first without knowing the actual music - and that she considered them to be greatly contemporary poems. It wasn't the same in my case. I first listened to his music for a long time until I even started to notice his lyrics. Back then the music and the sound of his voice had entirely spoken for itself. Yet, the more I listened to his albums the more the lyrics grew on me. Like the pieces of an ungraspable puzzle those strange and otherworldly and all too often contradictory words seem to make sense more and more. When the Empyrean came out I immediatly absorbed the lyrics as much as the music. But it was not until a few months ago that I realized to its full extend just how great and brilliant Frusciantes lyrics are. I mean, they aren't just very good and exceptional... they truely are the work of a genius. A genius no less than poets like William Blake or Rainer Maria Rilke. The most exciting aspect about Johns art is that it seems to work perfectly on every possible level. If I only listen to the music without paying attention to the lyrics - it makes me happy and touches me somewhere deep within. If I listen to the music as an unification of sound and words - it's like I'm constantly exploring new layers of meaning. And if I only read the lyrics and see them plainly as poems - again, it works perfectly well, as if they were never meant to be something else but to speak for themselves. Now, here is the idea. Wouldn't it be awesome if there existed a book which contains all the lyrics Frusciante has ever presented to the world? I mean a real book with a simple and beautiful cover (just as his music is) to buy at a bookstore! A real book of real pages containing all the lyrics from Niandra Lades to The Empyrean, including the Internet Album, the Brown Bunny Songs, For Air, etc. Unfortunatly I'm not a publisher. And of course, I don't know if John or his Record Company would give permission. But as an idea it really strucks and amazes me. Every famous band has got its own book of lyrics - even though they might be shallow as p*** on concrete. If there is one songwriter out there at the moment whose lyrics deserve to be printed and who ought to be recognized as a poet as much as a muscician it would be Mr. John Frusciante, wouldn't it?